NPR’s Ari Shapiro speaks with musician and composer Ameen Mokdad, about his album The Curve, which he composed whereas residing below ISIS occupation in Mosul, Iraq.
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ARI SHAPIRO, HOST:
On the album “The Curve,” musician Ameen Mokdad performs numerous devices, besides on one monitor, there’s percussion within the background, sounds he didn’t make. The track is named “A Day In The Prince Kingdom.” The rhythmic patterns within the background do not come from any form of a drum. You might be about to listen to the machine gunfire and bombs that had been falling exterior of his home in Mosul, Iraq, the place he composed this music below ISIS occupation.
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AMEEN MOKDAD: It is the town sound in the course of the battle. We all know nothing about it. We can not exit or look from the window. We simply hear that. And you need to assume who’s killing whom.
SHAPIRO: Yeah. There’s very clear gunfire, and there are booms of, presumably, airstrikes. Why did you wish to embody this together with the music that you just had composed?
MOKDAD: As a result of that is what we needed to stay with. And each single particular person below battle would stay with that. And it isn’t OK. And typically we overlook it, but it surely leaves wounds in our reminiscence.
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SHAPIRO: Ameen Mokdad taught himself to play the violin and plenty of different devices after that. When ISIS took over the town of Mosul in 2014, he needed to play in secret. Though he may have been killed for it, he saved making recordings and importing his music to the web for the world to listen to.
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MOKDAD: I wished to ship a giant assertion additionally to all people who judged Muslim folks and stated, all Muslims are terrorists; simply kill all of them, as a result of that was a giant public opinion, even within the nation, in Iraq, ? Yeah, they only supported – simply kill all people. And I used to be like, no, there’s harmless folks.
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SHAPIRO: At some point, ISIS discovered him. They interrogated him for hours, searched his home, and located his stash of musical devices. ISIS smashed each considered one of them.
MOKDAD: Two violins, one cello, one guitar and one – one thing referred to as zippy zither.
SHAPIRO: And what did these devices imply to you? What was it like seeing them taken away from you?
MOKDAD: Nicely, each single instrument I had began with. I imply, I used to be a pupil, and the financial system scenario actually unhealthy, and I needed to save each single penny. It wasn’t a elaborate instrument, but it surely’s my instrument, like, my infants. Like, for example, the cello has a reputation. It was Peter. So they only…
SHAPIRO: Peter was the identify of your cello.
MOKDAD: Yeah, yeah.
SHAPIRO: Can we hear slightly of Peter the cello? Do you might have these recordings?
MOKDAD: I do. I do.
SHAPIRO: Yeah.
MOKDAD: All of the cello components in my 25 compositions heard on “The Curve”…
SHAPIRO: Yeah.
MOKDAD: …Is all recorded with this.
SHAPIRO: OK, let’s hearken to slightly of Peter the cello.
MOKDAD: Yeah.
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SHAPIRO: With out his beloved musical devices, Ameen Mokdad slipped right into a deep melancholy. So in the future his cousin stated, why do not you make an instrument?
MOKDAD: And I went to the market, and I purchased sheets of wooden. However we confronted an issue, and a few materials just like the strings had been a giant downside as a result of…
SHAPIRO: What did you make the strings out of?
MOKDAD: So there’s this particular string they use in Mosul, one of many cities who create cleaning soap. In order that they use this string to chop the cleaning soap.
SHAPIRO: Oh. Is it, like, a metallic wire or…
MOKDAD: Yeah.
SHAPIRO: OK. So that you get the wooden. You get the string. And you’ve got by no means constructed a musical instrument earlier than.
MOKDAD: No, no.
SHAPIRO: However you construct this…
MOKDAD: Sure.
SHAPIRO: …Simply out of your creativeness.
MOKDAD: However after we had the instrument, we had been like, oh, this can be a huge downside. We actually felt we made a mistake, identical to having a child within the unsuitable time, within the battle.
SHAPIRO: Yeah.
MOKDAD: Like, you might be…
SHAPIRO: How will you retain it protected?
MOKDAD: Precisely. You might be barely surviving your life. And never solely that. This child is a curse as a result of in the event that they got here and discover this instrument on this home and if that they had of their mind to forgive you in your previous sins…
SHAPIRO: They see you’ve got carried out it once more.
MOKDAD: Once more.
SHAPIRO: However you did not destroy the instrument.
MOKDAD: No, no, no, no, no.
SHAPIRO: It has 44 strings. He plucks it on his lap.
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SHAPIRO: He wanted to provide the instrument a reputation. Mosul was a metropolis of gates, doorways that led to the traditional metropolis of Nineveh. ISIS bulldozed these archaeological treasures.
MOKDAD: So one of many doorways referred to as Attar (ph) – and it is the thunder god. So it is like, they wished to destroy the door and the identify and the historical past of it. Why do not we simply piss them off and name this instrument Attar?
SHAPIRO: So it lives on.
MOKDAD: Precisely.
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SHAPIRO: And also you filmed your self enjoying this instrument on the ruins.
MOKDAD: Of Attar.
SHAPIRO: Was this after ISIS was pushed out of Mosul?
MOKDAD: Yeah, it was after liberation.
SHAPIRO: The place is that instrument now?
MOKDAD: In Baghdad.
SHAPIRO: It is in Baghdad.
MOKDAD: Yeah. I wished to convey it right here.
SHAPIRO: Right here which means america. After composing a complete album shut in his home below ISIS occupation, Ameen Mokdad is now free to journey the world. Once we spoke, he had simply spent a number of months composing and performing music across the U.S.
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SHAPIRO: I believe many individuals view music particularly and artwork usually as a pleasure, a comfort, a luxurious, a passion. For you, it’s so clearly one thing completely different from that, one thing greater than that. What’s it for you?
MOKDAD: It is a want. It is undoubtedly a necessity. I can not think about any wholesome life with out artwork. You possibly can stay with out nutritional vitamins, however you’ll have issues. I am not saying you can not stay with out music or artwork. You possibly can stay, to be trustworthy. However it’s not a wholesome life. So if I resolve to stay, I wish to stay a wholesome life. So music and artwork is a necessity for me. It is one thing I might die for.
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SHAPIRO: Earlier this yr, Ameen Mokdad bought some excellent news. Wesleyan College accepted him to the varsity’s grasp’s program with a full scholarship.
MOKDAD: Like, full tuition. I used to be like, wait a minute. What? I am very excited, although, very excited.
SHAPIRO: And maybe as an indication of how important music is to Ameen Mokdad, he confirmed up in our studio with a violin. And once I requested whether or not he wished to play it for us, he stated, after all.
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SHAPIRO: He instructed us he has composed a brand new album throughout his time within the U.S. This track from it’s referred to as “Practice.”
MOKDAD: I all the time really feel my life is a practice. You will have stations to cease at. There is no manner again. You all the time need to go to the entrance.
SHAPIRO: Nicely, Ameen Mokdad, it has been such a pleasure speaking to you.
MOKDAD: It is a huge honor.
SHAPIRO: Thanks.
MOKDAD: Thanks.
SHAPIRO: The album that he composed below ISIS occupation is named “The Curve.” He recorded it with the ensemble Cuatro Puntos. And his latest album is titled “Bicycle Baghdad.”
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